It seems that Gimme and some of her feline friends have been busy putting together a short performance. I don't know when she found the time to participate, but I do so hope you enjoy it.
Tuesday, November 29, 2011
Saturday, November 26, 2011
Plan Change
Only a small part of this entry is about a change of plans, but I have to call it something...
This first video is our first session with many tins. Overall Gimme did about as I expected. Based on what I've been reading, I was intentionally letting her see me put the scented tin down. However, in this particular session, I don't think it helped her. The reason was, I think, my choice of treats. I was using popcorn and she is just crazy about that stuff. So I think the possibility of the popcorn was distracting enough that she wasn't focused - especially as compared to previous sessions. So we won't make that mistake again, though I'll continue to use popcorn for other things. I like having so many tins, since I don't have the non-rewarding aspect of not taking the tins when she brings them to me.
The second video is the second session today on "pivot" (the camera didn't record the first one). Based on what I was seeing when I edited this video, I've decided to abandon training the rear pivot ("twist") until I have this on cue. Then I will also probably go on to teach the forehand pivot in the other direction, which I'll name "tivo". (chose that name because it uses letters that are in its companion behavior) The thing I was seeing that got me thinking this way, was her tendency when frustrated or unsure to start putting her back feet on. In the video there's a fair amount of bouncing back and forth between front and back feet. Since I'm trying to teach her to use her front feet in a specific way during this behavior, it means I have to withhold clicks for what she may think is a good enough version. When that happens, I don't want her just throwing some other behavior at me. After "pivot" is on cue, I'll start on "tivo". Then later after "tivo" is on cue, I can start the pivots on the rear ("twist" and "twirl).
Of course I hadn't really come to that decision until I did the editing of the pivot video, so I have this short video of the last (for now) session of "twist". At times I think she is getting the idea and then I don't. Since the camera angle provides a new perspective, I see two issues. One, when I do resume training this, I really will have to put up the mirror so I can see that both back feet are on the brick. Two, I think I also have to do a session or two of just rewarding her putting both back feet on, to get that behavior more solidly. And three, I've got to do something about the brick sliding all over the place. I have some scraps rubber shelf liner, so am going to glue that to the back of the brick, as well as some other platforms. That way they will stay put and when I get this floor refinished, I won't have to worry about it being scratched.
A confession: I have had more difficulty with teaching Gimme to refrain from jumping on people than any dog I've ever owned or worked with. Its clear in watching her that she really does try to be good and stay down, but then people start petting her and its more than she can handle, so she jumps up out of exuberance. She really loves people, so I don't want to dampen her enthusiasm in teaching her to keep four on the floor. Add to that the frustrating tendency for people replying to my instructions not to let her jump up with, "oh, its okay". She's so dang cute that many people really encourage or, at the least, don't discourage her.
I have friends that have worked with her, following my instructions, and it just doesn't seem to sink in. This week I decided to try something a little different. Given how quickly she learned to come to me when she sees bicycles, I'm taking the same tactic with people. When she sees a person, I call her to me and give her treats until they pass. Then if interaction is mutually desirable, I'm at least there to reward her when she has all four on the floor.
What was so incredibly cool was seeing the light bulb go on - flashing brightly - when she realized, see people = go to mom. The first time you could see the light, she ran up to and around a stranger, then looked at me and came running for goodies. Then he wanted to pet her and she got lots of treats for four on the floor. The next person she saw, she went running toward them, then stopped and looked back at me, then came running. The same thing for the person after that. My non-dog friend that was walking with me even recognized what she was seeing as Gimme "got it".
She's such a smarty... I love seeing her figure things out.
This first video is our first session with many tins. Overall Gimme did about as I expected. Based on what I've been reading, I was intentionally letting her see me put the scented tin down. However, in this particular session, I don't think it helped her. The reason was, I think, my choice of treats. I was using popcorn and she is just crazy about that stuff. So I think the possibility of the popcorn was distracting enough that she wasn't focused - especially as compared to previous sessions. So we won't make that mistake again, though I'll continue to use popcorn for other things. I like having so many tins, since I don't have the non-rewarding aspect of not taking the tins when she brings them to me.
The second video is the second session today on "pivot" (the camera didn't record the first one). Based on what I was seeing when I edited this video, I've decided to abandon training the rear pivot ("twist") until I have this on cue. Then I will also probably go on to teach the forehand pivot in the other direction, which I'll name "tivo". (chose that name because it uses letters that are in its companion behavior) The thing I was seeing that got me thinking this way, was her tendency when frustrated or unsure to start putting her back feet on. In the video there's a fair amount of bouncing back and forth between front and back feet. Since I'm trying to teach her to use her front feet in a specific way during this behavior, it means I have to withhold clicks for what she may think is a good enough version. When that happens, I don't want her just throwing some other behavior at me. After "pivot" is on cue, I'll start on "tivo". Then later after "tivo" is on cue, I can start the pivots on the rear ("twist" and "twirl).
Of course I hadn't really come to that decision until I did the editing of the pivot video, so I have this short video of the last (for now) session of "twist". At times I think she is getting the idea and then I don't. Since the camera angle provides a new perspective, I see two issues. One, when I do resume training this, I really will have to put up the mirror so I can see that both back feet are on the brick. Two, I think I also have to do a session or two of just rewarding her putting both back feet on, to get that behavior more solidly. And three, I've got to do something about the brick sliding all over the place. I have some scraps rubber shelf liner, so am going to glue that to the back of the brick, as well as some other platforms. That way they will stay put and when I get this floor refinished, I won't have to worry about it being scratched.
A confession: I have had more difficulty with teaching Gimme to refrain from jumping on people than any dog I've ever owned or worked with. Its clear in watching her that she really does try to be good and stay down, but then people start petting her and its more than she can handle, so she jumps up out of exuberance. She really loves people, so I don't want to dampen her enthusiasm in teaching her to keep four on the floor. Add to that the frustrating tendency for people replying to my instructions not to let her jump up with, "oh, its okay". She's so dang cute that many people really encourage or, at the least, don't discourage her.
I have friends that have worked with her, following my instructions, and it just doesn't seem to sink in. This week I decided to try something a little different. Given how quickly she learned to come to me when she sees bicycles, I'm taking the same tactic with people. When she sees a person, I call her to me and give her treats until they pass. Then if interaction is mutually desirable, I'm at least there to reward her when she has all four on the floor.
What was so incredibly cool was seeing the light bulb go on - flashing brightly - when she realized, see people = go to mom. The first time you could see the light, she ran up to and around a stranger, then looked at me and came running for goodies. Then he wanted to pet her and she got lots of treats for four on the floor. The next person she saw, she went running toward them, then stopped and looked back at me, then came running. The same thing for the person after that. My non-dog friend that was walking with me even recognized what she was seeing as Gimme "got it".
She's such a smarty... I love seeing her figure things out.
Wednesday, November 23, 2011
Thanksgiving Wish
Tuesday, November 22, 2011
Because Talent Knows No Bounds
Awhile back I talked about Gimme's forehand pivot behavior... don't recall if there was a video or not. I don't have one on file, so probably not. Here is a video composite of two short sessions. I was trying to get her to both start and end with her front feet on the brick and I do think we are getting there. I want this to be a true pivot on the forehand and especially don't want it to to devolve into a spin in place. I started by withholding the click until she got her feet back on the brick after the pivot... very quickly she figured out to keep them on to get the click and treat faster. I also talked before about holding off putting a cue on this behavior, since I'd planned to name it "get in" and realized there was a conflict with another cue, "get it". I was going to rename the "get it" behavior to "yours". However, in the meantime, I've discovered that that cue is too entrenched, so decided to go with "pivot" for this behavior. In editing this I was doing some slow forward and noticed there are places where she is actually crossing her back feet. I never expected to see that. Enjoy my cutie...
As much training as I do with her, she's still bored. I've just learned that hunting season goes through the end of the year. Arrrrrgh. So will have to use the local walkway until then. We are having a really wet spell locally - landed over an inch of rain in last twelve hours. It rains a lot here, but often it doesn't really get going until afternoon. Of course, that doesn't apply to the last 48 hours where it hasn't let up.
I've also just started working on teaching her a rear pivot, which I'll call "twist". It takes her a bit to drop the insistence on a forehand pivot. That will probably go away once its on cue. It may be a bit too soon to start this since I don't have the forehand on cue yet, but I figure she needs a bit of a challenge to puzzle through.
She goes through several interesting concepts here - what she believes I may want vs. what I actually want. First there was – pivot then walk your back feet onto the brick. Then the same behavior with a barking embellishment. We had a few times when she thought it was put the back feet on, then back up until the front feet are on the brick. You can’t always clearly see what I’m clicking – in addition to back feet on, any sideways movement from the front feet. Often there was a backward component to that – so I tried to click where the sideways was the more prominent movement. She moves so dang fast, its like clicking a chicken and unfortunately that means I miss good opportunities or am late. Gimme holds strong opinions (boy I totally get that, doncha know) and she gets frustrated when I don’t click when she thinks I should. Barking is her default expression for frustration during free-shaping only (for which I’m eternally thankful).
BTW have emptied and washed up 6 Altoid tins. There have also been some interesting follow-up posts about the method. I'm eager to get back to it.
As much training as I do with her, she's still bored. I've just learned that hunting season goes through the end of the year. Arrrrrgh. So will have to use the local walkway until then. We are having a really wet spell locally - landed over an inch of rain in last twelve hours. It rains a lot here, but often it doesn't really get going until afternoon. Of course, that doesn't apply to the last 48 hours where it hasn't let up.
I've also just started working on teaching her a rear pivot, which I'll call "twist". It takes her a bit to drop the insistence on a forehand pivot. That will probably go away once its on cue. It may be a bit too soon to start this since I don't have the forehand on cue yet, but I figure she needs a bit of a challenge to puzzle through.
She goes through several interesting concepts here - what she believes I may want vs. what I actually want. First there was – pivot then walk your back feet onto the brick. Then the same behavior with a barking embellishment. We had a few times when she thought it was put the back feet on, then back up until the front feet are on the brick. You can’t always clearly see what I’m clicking – in addition to back feet on, any sideways movement from the front feet. Often there was a backward component to that – so I tried to click where the sideways was the more prominent movement. She moves so dang fast, its like clicking a chicken and unfortunately that means I miss good opportunities or am late. Gimme holds strong opinions (boy I totally get that, doncha know) and she gets frustrated when I don’t click when she thinks I should. Barking is her default expression for frustration during free-shaping only (for which I’m eternally thankful).
BTW have emptied and washed up 6 Altoid tins. There have also been some interesting follow-up posts about the method. I'm eager to get back to it.
Monday, November 21, 2011
Second Tin Day
Today is the first time I've introduced a second (unscented) tin for Gimme. I really need to have several more to do it exactly how Denise showed it. I'll have to empty several of them into some Tupperware and get them washed up.
Denise dumps a bunch of unscented tins on the floor and then places a scented tin in among them. If the dog brings the wrong one, she takes it and the dog gets no treat. That tin is set aside, since it now has Denise's smell on it. She only rewards the retrieves of the correct tin.
Since I only had the one unscented tin, I just ignored her attempts to bring it to me and heavily rewarded her bringing the right one. Since she has gotten so good about bringing it to my hands, I think not giving her hands to put it in, serves to non-reward that attempt and tell her try something else.
I started out with just the one tin and you'll note she very neatly brought it to my hands. After that we worked with two tins and you can see how it went. I didn't think she's realized yet that there is a difference between them. A couple of times, I think she saw me moving the unscented tin as I was trying to mix it up... so I made a special effort to work faster and get them out while she was still turned away. She really likes to ski on the tin before she picks it up - that's a silly behavior that started with the Melon cube. It will be interesting to see how this progresses. She has a damn fine nose, so I'm sure she'll get it figured out.
A pleasant side affect from this showed up yesterday. While I was doing some yard winterizing, I gave Gimme a good stick to chase (so she'd stop trying to steal and/or play tug with the ones I was putting in the yardwaste bin). Always in the past she's brought them back and dropped them about two feet from me. In all fairness, my attention is usually divided between what she is doing and what I'm trying to accomplish, so it isn't like I've really worked on a retrieve to hand. Anyway, yesterday, she brought the stick back and dropped it and when I was ready to throw it again, I just stopped and pointed at it. It took her a couple of tries and then she picked it up and handed it to me. Before long she was bringing it to me every time. If I was ready and paid attention to her quickly, she'd hold it until I offered my hands. Otherwise if it took too long she would drop it and wait for me to turn my attention to her - then she'd pick it up and hand it to me.
I'm sure she is thrilled that the training she is doing with me with the tins is paying off for the important stuff of throwing sticks. She's a pretty smart cookie.
Denise dumps a bunch of unscented tins on the floor and then places a scented tin in among them. If the dog brings the wrong one, she takes it and the dog gets no treat. That tin is set aside, since it now has Denise's smell on it. She only rewards the retrieves of the correct tin.
Since I only had the one unscented tin, I just ignored her attempts to bring it to me and heavily rewarded her bringing the right one. Since she has gotten so good about bringing it to my hands, I think not giving her hands to put it in, serves to non-reward that attempt and tell her try something else.
I started out with just the one tin and you'll note she very neatly brought it to my hands. After that we worked with two tins and you can see how it went. I didn't think she's realized yet that there is a difference between them. A couple of times, I think she saw me moving the unscented tin as I was trying to mix it up... so I made a special effort to work faster and get them out while she was still turned away. She really likes to ski on the tin before she picks it up - that's a silly behavior that started with the Melon cube. It will be interesting to see how this progresses. She has a damn fine nose, so I'm sure she'll get it figured out.
A pleasant side affect from this showed up yesterday. While I was doing some yard winterizing, I gave Gimme a good stick to chase (so she'd stop trying to steal and/or play tug with the ones I was putting in the yardwaste bin). Always in the past she's brought them back and dropped them about two feet from me. In all fairness, my attention is usually divided between what she is doing and what I'm trying to accomplish, so it isn't like I've really worked on a retrieve to hand. Anyway, yesterday, she brought the stick back and dropped it and when I was ready to throw it again, I just stopped and pointed at it. It took her a couple of tries and then she picked it up and handed it to me. Before long she was bringing it to me every time. If I was ready and paid attention to her quickly, she'd hold it until I offered my hands. Otherwise if it took too long she would drop it and wait for me to turn my attention to her - then she'd pick it up and hand it to me.
I'm sure she is thrilled that the training she is doing with me with the tins is paying off for the important stuff of throwing sticks. She's a pretty smart cookie.
Saturday, November 19, 2011
A Conflict?
Just got home from my parents' house. I was there to clean the oven. Last time Mom was asking me how to clean an oven. C'mon, she's surely cleaned many more ovens than I ever have. So I took that as a hint (despite her denials) that she'd like help with the oven. Today or tomorrow were the days I had available to get it done before Thanksgiving. Since we woke up with a light snow on the ground, this seemed as good a time as any - perhaps tomorrow will be nice enough to spend some time winterizing my own yard.
So what's the conflict? Apparently they use small tins in teaching nosework when you get the dog on odor and we won't want her retrieving those tins. We'll start that in about two and a half weeks. Joyce and I have discussed it at length and will make a few changes to the way we use the tins in nosework and hope that it won't be a problem. Some things are already big clues that there is a different expectation. The differences are:
Tonight we did a quick session of retrieving the tins. Five retrieves with me kneeling on the floor and then five with me sitting on a couple of cushions. Took her a couple tries to figure out that she still needed to bring them to my hands when I moved off the floor, but once she did figure it out - she nailed it repeatedly.
Besides, we were using her favorite treat in the whole world - pieces of hamburger bun. This dog loves bread more than anything.
So what's the conflict? Apparently they use small tins in teaching nosework when you get the dog on odor and we won't want her retrieving those tins. We'll start that in about two and a half weeks. Joyce and I have discussed it at length and will make a few changes to the way we use the tins in nosework and hope that it won't be a problem. Some things are already big clues that there is a different expectation. The differences are:
- she'll be in harness for nosework; just a collar for scent discrimination
- we're at the training building for nosework; at home for scent discrimination
- we can use smaller tins for nosework; Altoid size for scent discrimination
- plain tins for nosework; printed tins for scent discrimination
- no scent of mine on tins for nosework; with my scent for scent discrimination
- we'll hide tins off the floor for nosework; tins will be on the floor for scent discrimination
- tins for nosework will be secured making them hard to pick up; not secured for scent discrimination
- I move in to reward her for finding them in nosework; I remain stationary for scent discrimination
- "where-zit" cue for nosework; when its on cue will be "find mine" for scent discrimination
Tonight we did a quick session of retrieving the tins. Five retrieves with me kneeling on the floor and then five with me sitting on a couple of cushions. Took her a couple tries to figure out that she still needed to bring them to my hands when I moved off the floor, but once she did figure it out - she nailed it repeatedly.
Besides, we were using her favorite treat in the whole world - pieces of hamburger bun. This dog loves bread more than anything.
Wednesday, November 16, 2011
Nosework (1/2)
Tonight was our first class of the second session of nosework. Gimme was soooooo glad to be back for this. She really likes this work and the first time in always imitates a freight train, dragging me into the building as fast as she can go. She's a little less intense about dragging me after that - thank God. I realized after class on the way home that she was completely quiet riding in the car both to and from class and I didn't even hear a peep from her when we were there and she was waiting her turn. Sure am happy she's getting past most of the whining.
This time they had driven a vehicle into the building and we introduced the dogs to vehicle searches. The dogs will only be searching the outside of vehicles. For our first hide we started by holding the dog back while they watch the instructor put food on the bumper and then get to go and get it. Repeated that and then the third time the dogs were mostly very focused on the bumper and didn't necessarily see the instructor place the food there.
For the second hide, we pretty much repeated the process, but without the dog getting to watch the instructor and then encouraging the dogs to continue around the vehicle to find more. It was interesting to see that when Gimme finally found the little bit of food that was stuffed in the crack around the headlight - after that she became very aware of the cracks/seams on the vehicle and checked them all thoroughly.
The third hide was more of the same. Gimme did a great job and worked her way around finding all but two of them. Then on her own she decided she should make another pass and was rewarded by finding the other two.
This girlie looooooooves to use her nose.
This time they had driven a vehicle into the building and we introduced the dogs to vehicle searches. The dogs will only be searching the outside of vehicles. For our first hide we started by holding the dog back while they watch the instructor put food on the bumper and then get to go and get it. Repeated that and then the third time the dogs were mostly very focused on the bumper and didn't necessarily see the instructor place the food there.
For the second hide, we pretty much repeated the process, but without the dog getting to watch the instructor and then encouraging the dogs to continue around the vehicle to find more. It was interesting to see that when Gimme finally found the little bit of food that was stuffed in the crack around the headlight - after that she became very aware of the cracks/seams on the vehicle and checked them all thoroughly.
The third hide was more of the same. Gimme did a great job and worked her way around finding all but two of them. Then on her own she decided she should make another pass and was rewarded by finding the other two.
This girlie looooooooves to use her nose.
Tuesday, November 15, 2011
Scent Discrimination work
My internet access was out starting Saturday night... so I've felt deprived and out of the loop. Finally received the replacement modem this afternoon and got just short of 500 emails that I had to plow through.
Sunday we did another session with the tin. I started with letting her get it twice with the food still in it, then went to no food inside. There was no sign that she thought that was a problem. She was doing pretty good at picking up the tin and then dropping it into my hands. Then one time she picked it up and turned away from me before she dropped it. I waited and she picked it up and dropped it again. The third time she picked it up and turned toward me, so I was able to get my hands under it. After that she started picking it up and then seeking my hands to drop it. SMART GIRL!
This time we started right out with no food in it. Twice I accepted just picking it up get the ball rolling, then after that I wanted her to at least try to get it in my hands. You can see how twice she'd pick it up, but kept missing my hands. I just waited and let her sort out how to get it in my hands and get the reward. Clearly she has figured out what gets the reward, because after two times of taking multiple tries to get in in my hands and get the reward, the next time she was more deliberate about getting it into my hands. The final time I resisted the urge to make it easy for her and she brought it to my hands on her own!
I just can't help but love working with such a Smart Girl.
Sunday we did another session with the tin. I started with letting her get it twice with the food still in it, then went to no food inside. There was no sign that she thought that was a problem. She was doing pretty good at picking up the tin and then dropping it into my hands. Then one time she picked it up and turned away from me before she dropped it. I waited and she picked it up and dropped it again. The third time she picked it up and turned toward me, so I was able to get my hands under it. After that she started picking it up and then seeking my hands to drop it. SMART GIRL!
This time we started right out with no food in it. Twice I accepted just picking it up get the ball rolling, then after that I wanted her to at least try to get it in my hands. You can see how twice she'd pick it up, but kept missing my hands. I just waited and let her sort out how to get it in my hands and get the reward. Clearly she has figured out what gets the reward, because after two times of taking multiple tries to get in in my hands and get the reward, the next time she was more deliberate about getting it into my hands. The final time I resisted the urge to make it easy for her and she brought it to my hands on her own!
I just can't help but love working with such a Smart Girl.
Saturday, November 12, 2011
Learning All Day Long
After teaching agility, I let Gimme have a
play session with Sadie (boring old BC)
and Izzybella (young Beardie). Normally
I wouldn't let her play where I expect her
to work at other times, but for now this is
the priority so I'm willing to bend the rules,
knowing I'll have work to do later. Sadly I
don't have enough friends with appropriate
dogs for her to interact with, so I especially
treasure these opportunities.
It was a good session and I see Gimme
improving all the time. At one point she
did get mad at Izzy (a very rough playing
girl) and the flash of anger was quite
obvious, but it very quickly passed. I
could have missed it, it was so brief.
Later even Sadie played with her for
about a minute and then gave a clear
cut-off signal, which Gimme instantly
accepted, going back to play with her
Izzy-buddy.
After that I did a few errands, then
headed to Elma for some agility 
watching (hence the pictures). Elma
is a really great place to do this
because its not as crowded. Since
Gimme has just come out of season,
I used one of the side doors that let us
get into the stands on the far side
without being near any dogs - just in
case there was any residual odor.
Gimme did very well and was more
relaxed compared to other times. We
watched for well over an hour and she
did well the whole time. Of course she's
convinced she could start out at the top
level in agility. Another way I knew that
she was more relaxed is that she didn't
sleep on the way home as she usually
does.
our first session introducing scent
discrimination, using Altoid tins. I saw it
demonstrated on Denise Fenzi's blog.
What she showed seemed so simple
that one of today’s errands was to go to Costco and buy a 12pack of Altoids. I guess I’ll have great breath for awhile now.
Denise’s puppy had already been doing a lot of retrieving and I haven't worked that very much with Gimme (my bad). I started just praising her and letting her eat the food out of the tin for any interaction, then gradually waited for more. Within just 2:45 she was picking up the tin. With a little quick action on my part, she was mostly dropping it in my hands. The original video was eight and a half minutes, but Gimme pushed the tin under the couch, so I cut out the sizable portion of time that it took to retrieve it. On the very last one, the little sneak managed to drop it out of range of my hands and it popped open and she got some of the treats. Fortunately there were enough left for her to end by dropping it in my hands one last time. You can see the tail never stopped wagging. She really does love to train me...
Friday, November 11, 2011
Today's Training
Since our schedule has been off for the last couple of days, I decided to do a couple short sessions today, even though Friday is normally our day off.
I started with "around" using the guides. As soon as I set them up Gimme jumped in (edited out). I was sure she'd be eager to get in there when she figured out that was where the rewards happened. I opened the guides and had her go out and re-enter, wanting to reinforce how she should enter. This session was really short - only 7 click/treats. Do note two things... first, she never left until I indicated the session was over (unlike prior sessions) and as soon as we were both in the circle she started moving around me. I think the idea of the guides is becoming clear to her.
This next session is a bit of target stick training related to waiting for the cue. The idea is to present the target stick and give her the cue. Then toss the treat and wait before giving the cue. If she comes back and touches right away, I do nothing and just wait her out. The moment she pulls away, I give the cue and reward her for doing the behavior with a click/treat. This is something I think I am slow to do and the video confirms my impression. If I give the cue and she doesn't do the behavior in a reasonable time (for now I count five) then I am lift the stick out of range to indicate a loss of opportunity. I also lift the stick out of range when she bites on it, which still seems to happen a lot, though it is diminishing. At some point I can also start clicking her for not touching the stick when she begins hesitating more often. I think her touch-touch-touch and then sitting is an indication that she is starting to figure out the game. There are clearly some missed opportunities during this session; Gimme will just have to figure it out in spite of me.
Then we did a bit of noodling about stays and heeling around food on the floor. I haven't done it for quite awhile and obviously we need to go back to it. It wasn't training so much as testing.
Because life isn't exciting enough around here... now that Gimme is coming out of season, Meaggi has decided to give it a go, for the first time in several years.
I started with "around" using the guides. As soon as I set them up Gimme jumped in (edited out). I was sure she'd be eager to get in there when she figured out that was where the rewards happened. I opened the guides and had her go out and re-enter, wanting to reinforce how she should enter. This session was really short - only 7 click/treats. Do note two things... first, she never left until I indicated the session was over (unlike prior sessions) and as soon as we were both in the circle she started moving around me. I think the idea of the guides is becoming clear to her.
This next session is a bit of target stick training related to waiting for the cue. The idea is to present the target stick and give her the cue. Then toss the treat and wait before giving the cue. If she comes back and touches right away, I do nothing and just wait her out. The moment she pulls away, I give the cue and reward her for doing the behavior with a click/treat. This is something I think I am slow to do and the video confirms my impression. If I give the cue and she doesn't do the behavior in a reasonable time (for now I count five) then I am lift the stick out of range to indicate a loss of opportunity. I also lift the stick out of range when she bites on it, which still seems to happen a lot, though it is diminishing. At some point I can also start clicking her for not touching the stick when she begins hesitating more often. I think her touch-touch-touch and then sitting is an indication that she is starting to figure out the game. There are clearly some missed opportunities during this session; Gimme will just have to figure it out in spite of me.
Then we did a bit of noodling about stays and heeling around food on the floor. I haven't done it for quite awhile and obviously we need to go back to it. It wasn't training so much as testing.
Because life isn't exciting enough around here... now that Gimme is coming out of season, Meaggi has decided to give it a go, for the first time in several years.
Thursday, November 10, 2011
More Guides
Its been a busy couple of days. I was invited to a Veteran's Day celebration in Auburn that was set for early today, so we went up last night. We were supposed to resume nosework classes last night, but our instructor had to make the decision to euthanize one of her old dogs and obviously wasn't up for class.
Today after the celebration, I went back to my parents' and performed some minor repairs. If only I could get them to stop trying to fix things themselves, it would be so much easier not having to fix a twice-broken. After that Mom and I spent a lot of time burning brush, getting kindling made, yard winterizing and other outside tasks. I'm very tired.
Gimme was her usual angelic self... She had her first experience seeing fire and found it spooooooky. Naturally within minutes she was acting like an old hand and swore me to secrecy (I had my fingers crossed behind my back). Her help with the brush burning (stealing many of the things I was trying to get into the fire) was, shall we say, less than helpful.
Here I have two clips of training with the guides. The first one is practicing the "around" behavior (clockwise circle around me). Gimme still tries to jump out now and then (edited out of this clip), but I'm encouraging her to come back in and believe that will fade once she realizes that inside the circle is where the rewards happen. You'll notice the first click it looked like she was thinking of jumping out, but since she had moved in the right direction, I preempted her exit with the click/reward. I think I may have pushed her a bit too much for more and that caused the barking. You'll see I was able to demonstrate spinning the opposite direction and it didn't faze her at all. Note: This was only 8 repetitions, but when I watched the timing... it slowed down between reps after the fifth one. Again, I see evidence that 5 good repetitions does seem to be optimum for Gimme.
This second clip is a short sample of how you could teach the dog to go around the cane. I've edited this down to just the best repetitions. I realize it was far too soon to introduce Gimme to this idea (I just did it for demonstration purposes), since she'd only had two sessions with the simple "around" using the guides. The first thing she did was get "stuck" sitting and I used a click of her stretching her neck out to get her moving. Once we got past that, she seemed to think I was shaping her for position relative to the cane. I can see in the video that I missed a few good click opportunities. I used treat delivery to get her past the hump to move between me and the cane. Clearly Gimme hasn't made the connection to moving in a circle inside circular guides. Still once she figured out what I wanted, it seemed to go well, which I think bodes well. Do note that her tail never stopped wagging, no matter how confusing she thought I was being.
We have a lot on our plate for the weekend. I plan to drive to Elma and let Gimme watch some agility from the stands after class on Saturday. Then on Sunday we are going to an obedience/rally training session where you can buy personal ring time (PRT). I'm buying 15 minutes and have asked them to break them down into three 5 minute sessions. After that I plan to come home and do some winterizing of my own yard.
Monday is the one year anniversary of my nephew Josh's death. Its going to be a hard day.
Today after the celebration, I went back to my parents' and performed some minor repairs. If only I could get them to stop trying to fix things themselves, it would be so much easier not having to fix a twice-broken. After that Mom and I spent a lot of time burning brush, getting kindling made, yard winterizing and other outside tasks. I'm very tired.
Gimme was her usual angelic self... She had her first experience seeing fire and found it spooooooky. Naturally within minutes she was acting like an old hand and swore me to secrecy (I had my fingers crossed behind my back). Her help with the brush burning (stealing many of the things I was trying to get into the fire) was, shall we say, less than helpful.
Here I have two clips of training with the guides. The first one is practicing the "around" behavior (clockwise circle around me). Gimme still tries to jump out now and then (edited out of this clip), but I'm encouraging her to come back in and believe that will fade once she realizes that inside the circle is where the rewards happen. You'll notice the first click it looked like she was thinking of jumping out, but since she had moved in the right direction, I preempted her exit with the click/reward. I think I may have pushed her a bit too much for more and that caused the barking. You'll see I was able to demonstrate spinning the opposite direction and it didn't faze her at all. Note: This was only 8 repetitions, but when I watched the timing... it slowed down between reps after the fifth one. Again, I see evidence that 5 good repetitions does seem to be optimum for Gimme.
This second clip is a short sample of how you could teach the dog to go around the cane. I've edited this down to just the best repetitions. I realize it was far too soon to introduce Gimme to this idea (I just did it for demonstration purposes), since she'd only had two sessions with the simple "around" using the guides. The first thing she did was get "stuck" sitting and I used a click of her stretching her neck out to get her moving. Once we got past that, she seemed to think I was shaping her for position relative to the cane. I can see in the video that I missed a few good click opportunities. I used treat delivery to get her past the hump to move between me and the cane. Clearly Gimme hasn't made the connection to moving in a circle inside circular guides. Still once she figured out what I wanted, it seemed to go well, which I think bodes well. Do note that her tail never stopped wagging, no matter how confusing she thought I was being.
We have a lot on our plate for the weekend. I plan to drive to Elma and let Gimme watch some agility from the stands after class on Saturday. Then on Sunday we are going to an obedience/rally training session where you can buy personal ring time (PRT). I'm buying 15 minutes and have asked them to break them down into three 5 minute sessions. After that I plan to come home and do some winterizing of my own yard.
Monday is the one year anniversary of my nephew Josh's death. Its going to be a hard day.
Monday, November 7, 2011
Freestyle Seminar
The weekend proved to be a real learning experience and not just about freestyle. I learned just how much seminar excitement Gimme can handle and what the best way is for her to experience it. After how well she did at the agility seminar this summer, I expected her to be able to handle this better. But in hindsight, there are several notable differences.
I was really disappointed in the people attending this seminar. Many years ago when I was taking Michael to freestyle seminars, people were much more respectful of others' space needs. Most people back then were fairly novice dog owners, whereas this group was more experienced owners. I asked the seminar host to make an announcement and remind people to be more respectful of other dog's space needs, but it didn't seem to make any impression. I repeatedly asked people to keep their distance and not crowd us. Only two people got the idea that I was asking for consideration for the weekend, not just a few minutes. Other people I had to remind over and over and over again. I asked one lady to move herself and her dog so we could get to our crate, explaining that we needed more space. She moved and then moments later walked her dog within inches of my crate with Gimme in it. Fortunately I happened to have Gimme distracted at that moment. I really had the best spot that was available - had anyone shown even a smidgen of common sense and courtesy.
Naturally I think the person who allowed their dog to pee on my cooler, which was sitting next to my car -- well that's just well beyond R-U-D-E...
I chose to work off to one side during the working sessions and gradually got further and further away until I could find a place where Gimme wasn't too distracted by the other dogs and yet not too close to the food tables, which she also had a huge interest in. Unfortunately this meant we got ZERO personal attention from the seminar presenter, Julie Flanery. Ordinarily I think Julie is very good, but a couple things conspired to make this one the least positive experiences of the several seminars I've taken with her. The fact that the seminar was being taped made it a logistical pain. Also almost all the exercises for the second day were geared toward people with much more experienced dogs. Since that wasn't made clear in the information about the seminar (and since I expected her to run the seminar as she had in prior ones), I don't think we got our money's worth as a working team.
Since I'd paid to be a working team, I made the best of it. I worked on as many of the exercises that we were supposed to be doing as I could. But once I hit a snag, without any help, I couldn't go any further. I learned between day one and two a bit better how to "read" Gimme and know when she is done. She is not obvious in the way she shows it (remember what we went through when we were taking classes with Ursula and she had the false pregnancy to go through). For much of the time we worked on other things, things I knew Gimme could do getting a high rate of reinforcement, so she was having a positive experience. On the second day I kept her out in the car when she wasn't working, except for one brief time in late in the afternoon. Often this meant by the time I went out to the car, got her "dressed" and got back inside, the working session was half over.
Still, for all that, I learned a lot. Julie has some interesting new ways to teach the freestyle staples in ways that the dog learns very quickly and so can get a higher rate of reinforcement while they are learning. She makes these "guides" out of ten 12" x 12" grids (the ones you normally snap together to make little shelving sets), put together with zip ties. Using those the dogs learn some really quick concepts, so you aren't teaching the same thing over and over, just using a different "prop".
For instance, if you set up the guides to form a circle and stand in the middle with the dog, you can just wait and the dog will move around you. Click and treat that and soon the dog will really be going around. Within two or three sessions you'll have a very solid behavior that you can put on cue. Then you can do it again, but position the dog facing the other way and since the dog already knows the concept of moving in that circle of guides, you can get the other direction on cue even faster. Then there is always backing up in each direction. You can stand outside the circle with just one leg in and the dog will quickly figure out to move around that one leg. Or stand outside the circle with a cane held in the middle of the guides and in no time you'll have the dog going around that too. As you can imagine, there are any number of things you could teach the dog to go around in very short order. Develop a routine that has a prop you need the dog to go out to and circle around - no problem, you can teach the concept to your now more experienced dog in a single session and that's likely including a cue.
The beauty of this is that there is no luring that has to be faded later and its faster than free-shaping, because the dog learns that the guides in a circle mean one thing. And in particular, for getting the dog to move around one leg, since you aren't luring or using your hand target, you aren't leaning over the dog, which means you aren't crowding them socially while trying to teach them something. The guides can also be used to form a channel, a u-shape or a v-shape and any number of other configurations (limited only by your own creativity).
We did our session at the seminar in a 36" expen, since I wanted to be able to have Gimme off leash and know she wouldn't jump out. Here I have a short video of a session that we just did with the set of guides I made. You'll see that Gimme jumped in and out a couple of times. I think she felt crowded because I hadn't made her circle big enough. You'll see that she stopped jumping out and was more conformable moving around after I make the circle a little bigger. She even tried backing up, she does love moving backwards. To stop her all I had to do was briefly step back so I was in her way. Sadly the camera battery died so you don't get to see the end of the session. Another thirty seconds and she was going around me in one direction while I was spinning the other way. It never occurred to her that there was anything for her to do other than continuing in a circle, something that often happens when you try to teach this part of the move without the guides.
Gimme already knows "around", but its not very tight. So I'll be interested to see if using the guides makes it a cleaner move.
- agility seminar was outside, this was inside
- at agility seminar I was able to position us further from the other people/dogs and still be able to see and hear everything that was going on
- about a dozen teams at agility vs 20 teams and 10 more auditors at the freestyle seminar
- at agility only one or two dogs were out of crates at a time; here there were often all 20 teams out at once
- agility seminar was quieter overall
- this weekend she was in season - obviously not by plan, having come in almost a month early
I was really disappointed in the people attending this seminar. Many years ago when I was taking Michael to freestyle seminars, people were much more respectful of others' space needs. Most people back then were fairly novice dog owners, whereas this group was more experienced owners. I asked the seminar host to make an announcement and remind people to be more respectful of other dog's space needs, but it didn't seem to make any impression. I repeatedly asked people to keep their distance and not crowd us. Only two people got the idea that I was asking for consideration for the weekend, not just a few minutes. Other people I had to remind over and over and over again. I asked one lady to move herself and her dog so we could get to our crate, explaining that we needed more space. She moved and then moments later walked her dog within inches of my crate with Gimme in it. Fortunately I happened to have Gimme distracted at that moment. I really had the best spot that was available - had anyone shown even a smidgen of common sense and courtesy.
Naturally I think the person who allowed their dog to pee on my cooler, which was sitting next to my car -- well that's just well beyond R-U-D-E...
I chose to work off to one side during the working sessions and gradually got further and further away until I could find a place where Gimme wasn't too distracted by the other dogs and yet not too close to the food tables, which she also had a huge interest in. Unfortunately this meant we got ZERO personal attention from the seminar presenter, Julie Flanery. Ordinarily I think Julie is very good, but a couple things conspired to make this one the least positive experiences of the several seminars I've taken with her. The fact that the seminar was being taped made it a logistical pain. Also almost all the exercises for the second day were geared toward people with much more experienced dogs. Since that wasn't made clear in the information about the seminar (and since I expected her to run the seminar as she had in prior ones), I don't think we got our money's worth as a working team.
Since I'd paid to be a working team, I made the best of it. I worked on as many of the exercises that we were supposed to be doing as I could. But once I hit a snag, without any help, I couldn't go any further. I learned between day one and two a bit better how to "read" Gimme and know when she is done. She is not obvious in the way she shows it (remember what we went through when we were taking classes with Ursula and she had the false pregnancy to go through). For much of the time we worked on other things, things I knew Gimme could do getting a high rate of reinforcement, so she was having a positive experience. On the second day I kept her out in the car when she wasn't working, except for one brief time in late in the afternoon. Often this meant by the time I went out to the car, got her "dressed" and got back inside, the working session was half over.
Still, for all that, I learned a lot. Julie has some interesting new ways to teach the freestyle staples in ways that the dog learns very quickly and so can get a higher rate of reinforcement while they are learning. She makes these "guides" out of ten 12" x 12" grids (the ones you normally snap together to make little shelving sets), put together with zip ties. Using those the dogs learn some really quick concepts, so you aren't teaching the same thing over and over, just using a different "prop".
For instance, if you set up the guides to form a circle and stand in the middle with the dog, you can just wait and the dog will move around you. Click and treat that and soon the dog will really be going around. Within two or three sessions you'll have a very solid behavior that you can put on cue. Then you can do it again, but position the dog facing the other way and since the dog already knows the concept of moving in that circle of guides, you can get the other direction on cue even faster. Then there is always backing up in each direction. You can stand outside the circle with just one leg in and the dog will quickly figure out to move around that one leg. Or stand outside the circle with a cane held in the middle of the guides and in no time you'll have the dog going around that too. As you can imagine, there are any number of things you could teach the dog to go around in very short order. Develop a routine that has a prop you need the dog to go out to and circle around - no problem, you can teach the concept to your now more experienced dog in a single session and that's likely including a cue.
The beauty of this is that there is no luring that has to be faded later and its faster than free-shaping, because the dog learns that the guides in a circle mean one thing. And in particular, for getting the dog to move around one leg, since you aren't luring or using your hand target, you aren't leaning over the dog, which means you aren't crowding them socially while trying to teach them something. The guides can also be used to form a channel, a u-shape or a v-shape and any number of other configurations (limited only by your own creativity).
We did our session at the seminar in a 36" expen, since I wanted to be able to have Gimme off leash and know she wouldn't jump out. Here I have a short video of a session that we just did with the set of guides I made. You'll see that Gimme jumped in and out a couple of times. I think she felt crowded because I hadn't made her circle big enough. You'll see that she stopped jumping out and was more conformable moving around after I make the circle a little bigger. She even tried backing up, she does love moving backwards. To stop her all I had to do was briefly step back so I was in her way. Sadly the camera battery died so you don't get to see the end of the session. Another thirty seconds and she was going around me in one direction while I was spinning the other way. It never occurred to her that there was anything for her to do other than continuing in a circle, something that often happens when you try to teach this part of the move without the guides.
Gimme already knows "around", but its not very tight. So I'll be interested to see if using the guides makes it a cleaner move.
Thursday, November 3, 2011
A Big Fat Negative
Gimme finds being in season a big fat negative.
She's not getting the walks she's used to, adding to the frustration she feels. Last time she was in season we were able to go to the fort's training areas for our walks. However, its hunting season. The last time we were there, on a day when the area was supposed to be "open" for general recreation, we found deer entrails from a fresh kill. Clearly someone isn't honoring the schedule, so to be safe, we won't go back until hunting season ends.
The local place we walk is pretty busy with other walkers, bikers and dogs, so I only feel comfortable using it at its least busy times, given Gimme's "condition". Unfortunately it has been raining every chance I had to get there during quiet times. Today we got a walk and Gimme practically split a seam trying to check out everything at once. She was noticeably happier when we finished.
I was going to give an update on the whining front, to say how much better she is doing. However, that progress has evaporated since she's been in season. She was only a little worse until the day we were heading home from the bank and there were two deer trotting up the sidewalk. I guess they know its not safe in the woods. There's a small green belt near here, but they were several miles from any place they could be living. They didn't seem too concerned about their new digs. Gimme, however, was very concerned and has been on deer alert every time we've been in the car since then. This too shall pass.
To keep her happy and entertained I've been trying to get in some extra training. I haven't done much with the fruit behaviors. Instead have been trying to put together some behaviors for our freestyle seminar weekend. We've got some cute stuff. Nothing ready for cue attachment, but good enough that I can get the behavior when I want it.
We continue to work on backing up. I taped two lines on the hardwood, making about an 18" wide corridor. Gimme didn't seem to be making headway with that and was clearly frustrated. I don't think the tape stripes were noticeable to her, so it wasn't clear enough and the reinforcement levels were falling off, dampening her enthusiasm.
Since she is very comfortable with backing up to a target from the apple behavior (back into a box), I decided to use that. I got one of my small rectangular platforms and quickly shaped her to put her back feet on it. Then I moved further away and after each click dropped the treat in front of me. After that she would back to the board. Right now she is at a stage where she is backing up so fast (and verrrrry straight) that she is overshooting the board. I'll try to get this on video.
She has a very sophisticated awareness of her back feet. Its interesting how the fruit behaviors I picked were things I chose because I didn't want them to resemble any "important" behaviors for later… and yet, the dividends from them keep growing.
The weekend should be interesting. Julie Flanery is the seminar presenter and I know her from past seminars. It should be really good from that aspect. I don't know how well Gimme will do, since her emotions are really right at the surface. My independent girl becomes very needy when its "that time".
I talked to my veterinary and given Gimme's history with a false pregnancy before, he wants to wait three months after she comes out of season before spaying her. That will put it about mid-February, which is right at 18 months, the time I was aiming for.
She's not getting the walks she's used to, adding to the frustration she feels. Last time she was in season we were able to go to the fort's training areas for our walks. However, its hunting season. The last time we were there, on a day when the area was supposed to be "open" for general recreation, we found deer entrails from a fresh kill. Clearly someone isn't honoring the schedule, so to be safe, we won't go back until hunting season ends.
The local place we walk is pretty busy with other walkers, bikers and dogs, so I only feel comfortable using it at its least busy times, given Gimme's "condition". Unfortunately it has been raining every chance I had to get there during quiet times. Today we got a walk and Gimme practically split a seam trying to check out everything at once. She was noticeably happier when we finished.
I was going to give an update on the whining front, to say how much better she is doing. However, that progress has evaporated since she's been in season. She was only a little worse until the day we were heading home from the bank and there were two deer trotting up the sidewalk. I guess they know its not safe in the woods. There's a small green belt near here, but they were several miles from any place they could be living. They didn't seem too concerned about their new digs. Gimme, however, was very concerned and has been on deer alert every time we've been in the car since then. This too shall pass.
To keep her happy and entertained I've been trying to get in some extra training. I haven't done much with the fruit behaviors. Instead have been trying to put together some behaviors for our freestyle seminar weekend. We've got some cute stuff. Nothing ready for cue attachment, but good enough that I can get the behavior when I want it.
We continue to work on backing up. I taped two lines on the hardwood, making about an 18" wide corridor. Gimme didn't seem to be making headway with that and was clearly frustrated. I don't think the tape stripes were noticeable to her, so it wasn't clear enough and the reinforcement levels were falling off, dampening her enthusiasm.
Since she is very comfortable with backing up to a target from the apple behavior (back into a box), I decided to use that. I got one of my small rectangular platforms and quickly shaped her to put her back feet on it. Then I moved further away and after each click dropped the treat in front of me. After that she would back to the board. Right now she is at a stage where she is backing up so fast (and verrrrry straight) that she is overshooting the board. I'll try to get this on video.
She has a very sophisticated awareness of her back feet. Its interesting how the fruit behaviors I picked were things I chose because I didn't want them to resemble any "important" behaviors for later… and yet, the dividends from them keep growing.
The weekend should be interesting. Julie Flanery is the seminar presenter and I know her from past seminars. It should be really good from that aspect. I don't know how well Gimme will do, since her emotions are really right at the surface. My independent girl becomes very needy when its "that time".
I talked to my veterinary and given Gimme's history with a false pregnancy before, he wants to wait three months after she comes out of season before spaying her. That will put it about mid-February, which is right at 18 months, the time I was aiming for.
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